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Alanna
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7:32 pm Apr 06, 2008

I wasn't actually sure which forum this one should be posted in as it contains a few different things. I hope I chose the right one.

Well, the thing is my sister-in-law is very sick with breast cancer at the moment and I would really like to stitch her something meaningful. I thought of all the angels and fairies of good health, but didn't find anything, then I thought of saints and found just exactly what I was looking for: Saint Agatha is the patron saint of breast cancer sufferers and amazingly is also the patron saint of Malta (my whole family-in-law is Maltese, hence the year we spent in Malta), so she's just perfect! Unfortunately I couldn't find any cross stitch patterns of her, so I'd like to ask your help- has anybody seen suppliers of religious cross stitch patterns which may have one of Saint Agatha? I googled her name and found one particularly lovely image which is actually an ancient orthodox design (but I don't think that really matters) and then, in my desperation, I found some free cross stitch design software called stitch shop or something like that and tried to convert the image into cross stitch myself. DISASTER! Shocked Shocked Shocked This is soooooo extremely difficult it doesn't even bear thinking about! I couldn't understand a single thing about how the program works. I don't know how Meredith does it!! But if we can't find another pattern for Saint Agatha, I would like to ask Meredith if she would design a pattern of this picture. You can see it at http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Agatha_orthodox_icon.jpg/180px-Agatha_orthodox_icon.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_of_Sicily&h=236&w=180&sz=15&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=Y0tVJPOaRA6A-M:&tbnh=109&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaint%2Bagatha%2Borthodox%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

Thank you.
sverzino
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7:57 pm Apr 06, 2008

First of all, I think your idea is wonderful! When I was looking for a religious picture I found the sites Holy Needle & Salt and Pepper seemed to have the largest selection, but I don't recall seeing many saints and their patterns do not compare to Meredith's. Good luck! Stitching
fenny
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8:00 am Apr 07, 2008

Sorry, to hear this, chemotherapie is not a very easy treatment, wish her all the best!

Have tried a lot of cross stitch sites, but couln't find
Saint Agatha.
Maybe Meredith can help and as written in the new newsletter, people often ask for details of a picture, so maybe that's an idea???
rifestitch
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8:35 am Apr 08, 2008

Alanna, I just checked out a site I know that does iconic charts, Solaria Gallery, and sadly, Stoyanka does not have St. Agatha charted that I could find. But, I bet she might take your suggestion, and I bet her design would be gorgeous! Here is a link to her site, to the About Her page:
http://www.solaria-gallery.com/gobelins/index.html

I don't see a direct e-mail contact for her, but you might get a response in her guest book. I also think she's a member of one of my groups - I could possibly do a shout-out for her if you need me to Smile

And so sorry to hear that your family is going through this struggle. Good healing vibes going out to your and yours!
Meredith
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12:31 pm Apr 08, 2008

Hi Alanna,

So sorry to hear about your sister-in-law! I will certainly look into the possibility of a chart of St. Agatha. I think the picture you included the link of will be too small - maybe not, or maybe I can find something else.
rifestitch
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12:50 pm Apr 08, 2008

Not many images of St. Agatha out there, it seems. I did find this page:
www.aug.edu/augusta/iconography/agatha.html

and then this one, if a better/bigger version can be found:
http://tinyurl.com/5cxado



edited to add tiny url for the second entry Smile
Alanna
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7:30 pm Apr 08, 2008

Wow, thank you all of you for your support! Rife, you found some wonderful alternative images and Meredith, I'm so grateful that you're considering charting an image of Saint Agatha. She's very special, and I think as the patron saint of breast cancer sufferers, there are going to be quite a few people out there who sadly will be praying to her. i'll definitely check out sloaria as well, Rife. thank you.

Here are some more links to artworks depicting this saint, maybe Meredith might find one more suited to charting. The only problem with Saint Agatha is that she is very often depicted having both her breasts brutally sheared off or holding them severed on a platter (according to her story) and I just don't think that would make a brilliant present to a woman who has just lost her own breasts. Some of them are slightly subtler though, and of course the brilliant Caravaggio (adored in Sicily and Malta) has paid her a beautiful tribute. see these:
http://www.nvhistory.org/images/saintagatha.jpg
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/tiepolo/tiepolo_agatha.jpg
http://www.saintbonifacesf.org/images/lw6%20st%20agatha.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1975.1.2488.jpg
http://www.trinitystores.com/.php/catalog.php4?image=422
http://www.iatwm.com/200711/CaravaggioApollo/vouet.jpg
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/WebMedia/Images/24/NG24/mNG24.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/_WL2c27p9I3w/RwsSVhiUy6I/AAAAAAAAAEs/1IMtXaM_Gsg/s1600-h/Saint+Lucy+and+Her+Mother.jpg
http://www.cnmc.org.nz/images/windows/saintagatha2.jpg
http://www.stgeorge.org.mt/images/july_2003/Picture97b.JPG
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp0.blogger.com/_wzxqaY3LlZ0/RccoqmGRJrI/AAAAAAAAABM/Ev_A9IbuA6o/s400/St%2BAgatha.jpg&imgrefurl=http://swikner.blogspot.com/2007/02/st-agatha.html&h=299&w=400&sz=31&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=-Le6QGuvNs0elM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaint%2Bagatha%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

Voila, I know that's a lot, but you see, there are artworks of her out there, and we know now that there are as yet no charted designs of her for cross stitch so we're in open territory! Most of these pieces are now also so old that copywrite shouldn't be a problem.

Many thanks again, everyone and hopefully we'll find a way to Saint Aggy yet. Smile
fenny
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6:04 am Apr 11, 2008

Saw all the pictures and some are not very easy to look at, but that's my opinion.
The one with Saint Agatha in the stained glass window is quite different, which may show all these women gone through this ordeal and are going through this that there is light as well.
Hope you understand what I mean ?!
Meredith
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2:43 pm Apr 11, 2008

I agree with Fenny, some of these pictures are very gruesome. I do like the window (and thanks for the links). I also found rifestitch's 2nd one, by Carini (http://tinyurl.com/5cxado)
She has her breasts on a plate but there's no blood. This type of picture is probably what led to her also being the patron saint of bakers and bellringers - people not being quite sure what they were looking at (bells? loaves?)

I could do kind of a posterish pattern from the icon -- I had a quick cut and it wasn't too bad. I like the colors in the window better. It would probably come out posterish too but that's maybe to be expected with stained glass. (Anything small is going to come out posterish.) The Carini (after clicking the enlarge button) is probably big enough to do a pattern closer to our usual quality. The Caravaggio would work too but is awfully dark (in color, not so much in mood).

The dilemma I have, and please tell me what you think, is that the window and the icon could really be anybody (except they're labeled), but the ones that are clearly St. Agatha range from surreal to horrific. Obviously the goal is to help your sister-in-law's mental state, not gross her out, and I'm not much in favor of the gruesome ones, but what about the breasts-on-a-plate category? Is that still too much?
sverzino
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4:05 pm Apr 11, 2008

My 2 cents....I agree the window isn't very inspiring since it could be any saint. The blood & clippers a bit much for me to look at since they're very graphic. The platter doesn't bother me.
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