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kmcecelia
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1:42 am Feb 03, 2010

Hi all,

I just received a table stand with hoop (technically a tambour frame, but it serves the same purpose as an embroidery stand, looks nearly the same and was a minimum of $20 cheaper). I am looking at starting a really really really big project in a month or so (after I finish the one I'm working on now)--very wide, as the pattern is doubled and the long part is sideways.

My question is--how tight can the fabric in the hoop be before it begins to be distorted? I haven't used a frame of any kind for about 10 years, and never used a table stand. I'm worried that the fabric might not end up square at the end of all my work, and that the design will end up looking funny.

Kathleen
BarBaraPrz
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12:01 pm Feb 03, 2010

I guess it all depends on how "soft" is the fabric and how tightly you have the hoop. Not much help, I know. Good luck.
gillsuth7s
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1:56 pm Feb 03, 2010

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Originally posted by kmcecelia
Hi all,

I just received a table stand with hoop (technically a tambour frame, but it serves the same purpose as an embroidery stand, looks nearly the same and was a minimum of $20 cheaper). I am looking at starting a really really really big project in a month or so (after I finish the one I'm working on now)--very wide, as the pattern is doubled and the long part is sideways.

My question is--how tight can the fabric in the hoop be before it begins to be distorted? I haven't used a frame of any kind for about 10 years, and never used a table stand. I'm worried that the fabric might not end up square at the end of all my work, and that the design will end up looking funny.

Kathleen


Kathleen...hi,

Happy New Year and all that stuff

I have one (tambour stand), as you know from pre-Christmas....the answer to your question is a)as said, it depends on how hard or soft your fabric is, but ALSO b)by the nature of your frame, and the fact that you're not lacing it in, it can only go as taut as you can comfortably stretch it. This is because you pull from opposite sides simultaneously, and therefore, apply force equally(otherwise it'll zing away double-time, leaving you feeling a right eejit!!). The holding outer frame keeps it all under control as long as you keep the screw thingy at a comfortable tightness without needing bionic strength to undo it afterwards.
So, in effect, it's one of those 'how long is a piece of string?' questions. Very Happy

Line up your grid thread (vertical centre) so that it aligns with the middle part of the tightening screw of the outer hoop. You can always make a mark on the outer hoop to indicate the 90 degree angles, and that way you can align your fabric more easily. I'm assuming that you're a good girl, and grid your fabric to some degree before stitching the design??

I love my wee hoop stand to pieces... I sit it on a squidgy cushion on my lap, and rest it against a kitchen stool (the threads and stuff sit on the stool ). I have a comfortable chair, with a back support contraption in the small of my back, a cup of tea to hand, a lamp angled to advantage, and I'm ready for action Razz

Hope this hasn't confused things for you,

Regards,

Gill Stitching Stitching Stitching
armywife
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9:44 pm Feb 04, 2010

I love my wee hoop stand to pieces... I sit it on a squidgy cushion on my lap, and rest it against a kitchen stool (the threads and stuff sit on the stool ). I have a comfortable chair, with a back support contraption in the small of my back, a cup of tea to hand, a lamp angled to advantage, and I'm ready for action Razz

Hope this hasn't confused things for you,

Regards,

Gill Stitching Stitching Stitching[/quote]

I have absolutely no help to offer, as all of you on here are way far advanced above my level, but I just have to say that I would love to see a photo of Gill in the chair, with the lap frame, stool, tea and all. It sounds like a lovely site, and it makes me yearn for a more comfortable sewing situation. I got a standing frame for Christmas for my SQ pattern (Sunday Afternoon), but my cloth is WAY too wide to fit in the frame! And they won't take it back since it has been assembled and not still in the box (although I think they should pay me extra for that--or my husband since it was his handywork). I've just gotten re-started on the project and my neck and back are hurting. But I do love it. Must look into the aforementioned "back support contraption."

Kathleen--good luck with your dilemma. My solution was to get a larger wood hoop and now it is harder to hold. Any suggestions on when the material is wider than the scroll frame anyone?

Pam Stitching
kmcecelia
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11:43 pm Feb 04, 2010

I would love to see a photo of Gill in the chair, with the lap frame, stool, tea and all.

Any suggestions on when the material is wider than the scroll frame anyone?


I too would love to see a picture of Gill in her chair! My own imagination leaves her little room to actually stitch, with everything around her Smile

Gill, I do not grid at all before starting my projects, so that would I guess make me a "bad" girl. I don't like the idea of extra threads around that I don't need--they always seem to get caught and tangled in whatever I'm actually stitching with no matter how careful I am to avoid it.

I was originally looking for a scroll frame as well, but rapidly found that nothing was as wide as I needed it to be. I'm still contemplating my tambour frame--haven't had time to stitch as I am now translating something into Italian for friends in my spare time, but we'll see. I really do need something to keep from straining my neck . . .

Kathleen Stitching
emmadragon
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4:11 am Feb 05, 2010

Pam [/quote]
Any suggestions on when the material is wider than the scroll frame anyone?

I'm working on the Last Judgement at the moment (not SQ, boo), which is 35" wide, so my fabric is a full 42" width, on a 36" frame. (You can get a 39" frame, but a yard is plenty big enough, thank you very much.)

In order to get it on the frame, I find I have to fold over the outermost 3 inches on both sides of the material, and then wind it on, which obviously leaves it very loose in the middle. The only way to get any kind of tension is to then lace the thing to the top, bottom and side bars as tightly as possible.

Obviously, this means that when I need to wind it on, I have to unlace and then re-lace the whole thing. However, since my fabric is also 72" long (!!!), it's the only way I can deal with the ridiculous thing.

I'll post a photo on Monday, so you can see what I mean. It's not ideal, and I don't get very tight fabric, but it's good enough for me. Fortunately, my stitching tension is usually very consistent, and that seems to do the job!

Before you ask, BTW, the chart is 51 pages ( Shocked ) and I think it'll take about 10 years to stitch at the present rate. Rolling Eyes

Hope that helps a bit,
Emma.
Patricia
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8:39 am Feb 05, 2010

You can buy dowling at a hardware or lumber store that is 48" long. I needed that when I started EHRET. It is not as awide as your Judgement. I needed 40" so I cut 8 " off. I had to try three stores before I found the 48". I just leave it on my lap and the end is propped up on the arm of the couch so I can get underneath it. I have tried stands, sit upons, and other kinds of holders, but find I can sit relaxed with my feet on the edge of the coffee table and the whole thing on my lap. My threads,etc, are beside me on the couch. My magnifier is clamped on the top or side with a cloth napkin under it so it won't squash my stitches. A stong magnet is on the clamp part of the magnifier so I can leave my scissors there. A weaker magnet holds the pattern on the material so it is right beside my work. Of course I can't invite anyone to sit beside me. Laughing We are all so different,arem't we. I find I need to grid, (something I learned here) as it sure helps me not to have to ripit. I can tell right away if I have made a mistake.


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Pam

Any suggestions on when the material is wider than the scroll frame anyone?

I'm working on the Last Judgement at the moment (not SQ, boo), which is 35" wide, so my fabric is a full 42" width, on a 36" frame. (You can get a 39" frame, but a yard is plenty big enough, thank you very much.)

In order to get it on the frame, I find I have to fold over the outermost 3 inches on both sides of the material, and then wind it on, which obviously leaves it very loose in the middle. The only way to get any kind of tension is to then lace the thing to the top, bottom and side bars as tightly as possible.

Obviously, this means that when I need to wind it on, I have to unlace and then re-lace the whole thing. However, since my fabric is also 72" long (!!!), it's the only way I can deal with the ridiculous thing.

I'll post a photo on Monday, so you can see what I mean. It's not ideal, and I don't get very tight fabric, but it's good enough for me. Fortunately, my stitching tension is usually very consistent, and that seems to do the job!

Before you ask, BTW, the chart is 51 pages ( Shocked ) and I think it'll take about 10 years to stitch at the present rate. Rolling Eyes

Hope that helps a bit,
Emma.[/quote]
rifestitch
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10:16 am Feb 05, 2010

I also bought 4' dowels and made my own frame, using the sides from the store-bought set. BUT, it depends on what stand you have if you can use them. My cheapie Universal stand clamps onto the top whatever - scroll bar, QSnap, hoop - so I can put virtually anything in it. If your stand only holds certain frames, by clamping on the sides, then you are limited to that size - which is why I don't have one of those kinds of stands Smile

As for gridding, I gridded Lady & Unicorn, but now that I'm well into it, I don't use it. I never gridded any of my TWs in the 20 years before I started it, and have nothing else gridded, like my HaED or any of my Chatelaines or the current TW; the only other thing I have ever gridded was one design that I did twice on the same fabric and needed both to be exactly in the same spot opposite each other. On my next SQ, I may mark the page breaks, but I'm definitely not going to do the whole thing again - no value added, in my opinion, though I do not mind the process. But if it helps you, then I definitely see the benefit - I used it on the first page of L&U, now it's just in the way. But I'm too lazy to go pull it all out, so I'll leave it, for now Smile

So gridding or not isn't an issue of being "good" or correct - it's personal preference. There are no stitching police, do what works for you! I tried it, I'm over it, moving on... unless I have special circumstances again in the future (as I contemplate another double design).
gillsuth7s
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10:25 am Feb 05, 2010

Hi everyone,

Believe me, the sight of me ensconced and ready for stitchery is hugely amusing Exclamation Your collective imaginations would no doubt be much better than the original!!

Tisk tisk, Kathleen Shocked Naughty girl! Take to gridding, old girl, and all matters relating to alignment/distortion etc., will evaporate. It's not the most interesting pre-stitch preparation, but grit the teeth, use up leftover threads for the purpose, put the radio/whatever on, to occupy the mind whilst doing the actual gridding, and get on with it. Stitching Once you program the brain to grid as part of the preliminary processes of stitching, then you'll be converted, and you'll save time in the long run.

Tomorrow, after the essential shopping/house chores etc., I shall be tackling my stitching - my class colleague's wedding present to her niece in Boston (Mass., not Lincolnshire, UK) - my own project (The Castle) has been put on hold until the wedding present has been completed.

All the best, everyone Wink Very Happy

Gill Stitching Stitching Stitching
armywife
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7:31 pm Feb 05, 2010

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I also bought 4' dowels and made my own frame, using the sides from the store-bought set. BUT, it depends on what stand you have if you can use them. My cheapie Universal stand clamps onto the top whatever - scroll bar, QSnap, hoop - so I can put virtually anything in it. If your stand only holds certain frames, by clamping on the sides, then you are limited to that size - which is why I don't have one of those kinds of stands Smile

As for gridding, I gridded Lady & Unicorn, but now that I'm well into it, I don't use it. I never gridded any of my TWs in the 20 years before I started it, and have nothing else gridded, like my HaED or any of my Chatelaines or the current TW; the only other thing I have ever gridded was one design that I did twice on the same fabric and needed both to be exactly in the same spot opposite each other. On my next SQ, I may mark the page breaks, but I'm definitely not going to do the whole thing again - no value added, in my opinion, though I do not mind the process. But if it helps you, then I definitely see the benefit - I used it on the first page of L&U, now it's just in the way. But I'm too lazy to go pull it all out, so I'll leave it, for now Smile

So gridding or not isn't an issue of being "good" or correct - it's personal preference. There are no stitching police, do what works for you! I tried it, I'm over it, moving on... unless I have special circumstances again in the future (as I contemplate another double design).


Thanks a lot everyone, for all of the wonderful advice. I may look into the dowel rod and see if I can attach it somehow to the current frame. And I've never tried the gridding personally, but I did feel like it would get in the way (but mostly it looked like a lot of work and that was a good excuse to not do it). I probably pay for it with my eyesight and counting and recounting, which fits in perfectly with my OCD and I probably would do it even with the gridding Exclamation And nobody can sit near me either when I'm stitching. I prefer that they don't, as they might have something sticky on their hands, or something to drink and I'm a nervous wreck it will get on my cloth (the OCD rearing its ugly head again). My daughter has gotten into punch needle, and we often do our respective crafts together, which is very much enjoyable to me.
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