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Bianca
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1:11 pm Sep 10, 2012

Have been cross stitching for years on only Aida, never even thought about using anything else or realizing there is something else out there until I started the Night Watch project for which I needed 25 count material and it turned out it was not made in Aida.

After careful comparison I opted for Lugana for the Night Watch as the holes are clearly visible and even though it is 25 count it does not look that small and is very easy to work with. And indeed very much enjoy working with it now I have started.

Just finished a Paula Vaughn piece, which means my next rotate also needs to be replaced. I opted for Tree of Life (see other post about how to work with these large projects) and will probably end up working sideways on 18 count.

Considering it is a solid stitched piece and I work on scroll frames (this piece will be on made on a newly ordered 36 inch millennium frame from Needle Needs) am not sure what advantages a different fabric would have.

Maybe just a change of pace? Is it nice to have different fabric in rotation?

Does the end result look different? Does it work differently?

From what I gather the 18 count choices are:

- Aida (100% cotton)
- Davos (100% cotton)
- Floba (70% rayon, 30% linen)
- Danish Linen (which comes in 18 count)

Considering SQ only uses full cross stitches am not considering any 36 count fabrics as I have never worked over 2 and I think to start with that on my biggest piece ever is probably not a good idea.

Does anyone have any experience with the other fabrics? What are the pros and cons? What do you recommend?

Assume 18 count is probably the most popular choice for SQ pieces and am curious what you all use and have experience with.

This is a huge project and will end up being a present for my husband (probably about a decade or two from now) and am planning to hang it in the living room. Do not mind spending a few extra dollars if that means it will work and/or look much better.

Have considered simply buying a small sample of each so I can get it (as it is sold online, cannot get it locally), but wondered if any of you has experience to share.

Thank you,
Bianca
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9:55 am Sep 12, 2012

Of the ones you have listed, aida is the only one I have ever used. I have used 18ct Cork linen, but I subbed it for mono canvas on a counted canvas piece.

When it comes to a project like a Scarlet Quince, where you have 100% coverage, I do tend to prefer aida, for 2 reasons - cost & durability. Since these type of projects take me a very long time, I just think aida holds up a bit better to long-term wear & tear, than say, a linen. And if the base will NOT be seen, at all, I don't see a reason for any special color, either, because thread will be used as needed for coverage so that the fabric DOESN'T show through.

For my current SQ, I am using 22ct aida. I chose this for 2 primary reasons - 1) because of the HIGH cost of framing, I want my finished piece to be as small as I am comfortable working it, which also makes the details in the piece look amazing (smaller work makes the individual blocks look less pixellated than say, 14ct). And 2) - it was available locally in the size I needed. IF I had been able to find anything in 20ct, I would have done some testing on it; but I have never seen 20ct fabric, in person, that wasn't comparable to burlap, so I stick with the 22ct aida, which I have/am using in lots of projects.

One thing to consider, too, is HOW are you going to work the piece - in hand, or in a frame of some sort? I do not stitch in-hand, I do not like that method at all. But if I DID, the feel of the fabric would be very important to me, since I would have to handle it constantly. As it is, I always use a frame - a QSnap for most of my projects, though I do have scroll frames as well, and have been known to use a hoop on smaller, quick pieces. And though I love linen and various other kinds of even weaves - jobelan is my favorite, because of it's feel - since I use a frame for everything, I only concentrate on count (for finished size) and color (for those designs that aren't fully stitched). When I am choosing an evenweave (which includes linen, as well as the blended fabrics like lugana & jobelan), I have a variety of factors to consider when choosing a fabric for a design. Which is why I have some projects going on 36 & 40ct linens, and several others on 28ct linen or jobelan (if it has beads, it is almost ALWAYS 28ct for me, so I don't have to jam beads in to fit), as well as a few aida projects. Any project I do over-1, such as Heaven & Earth Designs, I generally stick with an evenweave - lugana, monaco, that kind of thing, as they are a little bit heavier/sturdier than linen. A Quaker sampler over-1 will probably be on a linen, as the entire thing will have a lighter feel/look, so the lighter base is appropriate.

In the end, I will stitch on ANYTHING, if the color and the finished size are right. There really isn't much "right" or "wrong", unless you've got specialty stitches that have certain requirements, so personal preference, if you have a way to experiment with different things, can pretty much be your guide! The experimentation is half the fun Smile
Bianca
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12:40 pm Sep 12, 2012

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Originally posted by rifestitch
Of the ones you have listed, aida is the only one I have ever used. I have used 18ct Cork linen, but I subbed it for mono canvas on a counted canvas piece.

When it comes to a project like a Scarlet Quince, where you have 100% coverage, I do tend to prefer aida, for 2 reasons - cost & durability. Since these type of projects take me a very long time, I just think aida holds up a bit better to long-term wear & tear, than say, a linen. And if the base will NOT be seen, at all, I don't see a reason for any special color, either, because thread will be used as needed for coverage so that the fabric DOESN'T show through.

For my current SQ, I am using 22ct aida. I chose this for 2 primary reasons - 1) because of the HIGH cost of framing, I want my finished piece to be as small as I am comfortable working it, which also makes the details in the piece look amazing (smaller work makes the individual blocks look less pixellated than say, 14ct). And 2) - it was available locally in the size I needed. IF I had been able to find anything in 20ct, I would have done some testing on it; but I have never seen 20ct fabric, in person, that wasn't comparable to burlap, so I stick with the 22ct aida, which I have/am using in lots of projects.

One thing to consider, too, is HOW are you going to work the piece - in hand, or in a frame of some sort? I do not stitch in-hand, I do not like that method at all. But if I DID, the feel of the fabric would be very important to me, since I would have to handle it constantly. As it is, I always use a frame - a QSnap for most of my projects, though I do have scroll frames as well, and have been known to use a hoop on smaller, quick pieces. And though I love linen and various other kinds of even weaves - jobelan is my favorite, because of it's feel - since I use a frame for everything, I only concentrate on count (for finished size) and color (for those designs that aren't fully stitched). When I am choosing an evenweave (which includes linen, as well as the blended fabrics like lugana & jobelan), I have a variety of factors to consider when choosing a fabric for a design. Which is why I have some projects going on 36 & 40ct linens, and several others on 28ct linen or jobelan (if it has beads, it is almost ALWAYS 28ct for me, so I don't have to jam beads in to fit), as well as a few aida projects. Any project I do over-1, such as Heaven & Earth Designs, I generally stick with an evenweave - lugana, monaco, that kind of thing, as they are a little bit heavier/sturdier than linen. A Quaker sampler over-1 will probably be on a linen, as the entire thing will have a lighter feel/look, so the lighter base is appropriate.

In the end, I will stitch on ANYTHING, if the color and the finished size are right. There really isn't much "right" or "wrong", unless you've got specialty stitches that have certain requirements, so personal preference, if you have a way to experiment with different things, can pretty much be your guide! The experimentation is half the fun Smile


Hello,

Wow, what an awesome response! I was curious if you were still around as I have read many posts of you in pasts forums so it is nice to speak to the X stitch Guru. Smile

You make some absolutely wonderful points and I really really appreciate it.

Just started my first project on Lugana 25 count, which I chose because I wanted the end result to be as fine as possible as there are many faces. I like working on it a lot, but it is very small and I do prefer the 18-count Aida, which seems to be the general count for me.

I have only ever worked on Charles Craft, but there are two more brands that also sell Aida and the price difference is quite shocking. Wichelt seems to be twice the cost of Charles Craft and Zweigart twice the costs of Wichelt.

Am looking at around $14 a yard for Charles Craft, $ 28 a yard for Wichelt and almost $55 for Zweigart.

Have you worked with any of the other brands? Do you notice a difference? Is it worth it?

Charles Craft has always worked fine for me, but if something else would be much better than for a "lifetime project" a few dollars extra won't make much difference if it is worth it.

I stitch many hours a week (20-30 -- would be more if I did not have to work full-time), but with heaps of confetti am not that fast. Read a post somewhere of a lady stitching 100 stitches an hour. I highlight my charts with different colors each day and I stitched for 3 hours last night and without counting it seemed I only did like 40 stitches or so (which cannot be true -- but there does not seem to be a whole lot more highlighted). They were all confetti and my awful floss (it is the Disney project) knotted quite a bit. Just started railroading and since I keep my nails short is taking me some extra time (have ordered a laying tool, maybe that helps).

Do like I can use the pinhead stitch on Aida as I love working with that when am handling mountains of confetti, which I cannot use on Lugana over 1 so that is a downside with that. Completely do not get the floss lasso (have put it off) .


Well, back to work it is for me -- unfortunate part of the day as I really just want to go back to my projects!!

Thanks again,
Bianca
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6:27 pm Sep 12, 2012

quote:
Originally posted by Bianca

Am looking at around $14 a yard for Charles Craft, $ 28 a yard for Wichelt and almost $55 for Zweigart.

Have you worked with any of the other brands? Do you notice a difference? Is it worth it?

Charles Craft has always worked fine for me, but if something else would be much better than for a "lifetime project" a few dollars extra won't make much difference if it is worth it.

I stitch many hours a week (20-30 -- would be more if I did not have to work full-time), but with heaps of confetti am not that fast. Read a post somewhere of a lady stitching 100 stitches an hour. I highlight my charts with different colors each day and I stitched for 3 hours last night and without counting it seemed I only did like 40 stitches or so (which cannot be true -- but there does not seem to be a whole lot more highlighted). They were all confetti and my awful floss (it is the Disney project) knotted quite a bit. Just started railroading and since I keep my nails short is taking me some extra time (have ordered a laying tool, maybe that helps).

Do like I can use the pinhead stitch on Aida as I love working with that when am handling mountains of confetti, which I cannot use on Lugana over 1 so that is a downside with that. Completely do not get the floss lasso (have put it off) .


Thanks again,
Bianca


I find Zweigart to be far superior to Charles Craft, though all of the 22ct aida I use is Charles Craft, as that is what my local Hobby Lobby, Michaels & JoAnn's carries. But the major fabric dyers, like Silkweaver and Picture This Plus, use Zweigart fabrics as their base for linen and lugana. Jobelan is a Wichelt product, and again, it's my favorite in the 28-32 ct, but Wichelt linen is NOT my favorite; theirs seems to be a bit stiffer, even that that has been dyed over. IF you are stuck with local resources like HL or Michaels, your prices are pretty spot-on, for that limited selection; fortunately, there is a HUGE pool of online resources for fabrics, if you are willing to take a chance on ordering from a thumbnail pic online - I can list 10-15 shops that do mail order just off the top of my head, if you like Smile I'm just a poor working girl myself, so I don't buy ANYTHING that isn't on sale Smile Just say the word, and I can list some of my favorite online resources for stash Smile

I try to get a couple of hours in every night, and as much time as possible on the weekends, now that my boys (15 & 19) are older and we aren't playing travel soccer (football) 11 months a year Smile It's still not enough, but since I have to work to support my habit... Smile At least my boss is a stained glass guy, so he understands, and we often bring stuff in for show & tell Smile AND he doesn't mind when I need to take an afternoon off because I am {this close} to finishing something! LOL
Bianca
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5:35 pm Sep 17, 2012

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Originally posted by rifestitch
quote:
Originally posted by Bianca

Am looking at around $14 a yard for Charles Craft, $ 28 a yard for Wichelt and almost $55 for Zweigart.

Have you worked with any of the other brands? Do you notice a difference? Is it worth it?

Charles Craft has always worked fine for me, but if something else would be much better than for a "lifetime project" a few dollars extra won't make much difference if it is worth it.

I stitch many hours a week (20-30 -- would be more if I did not have to work full-time), but with heaps of confetti am not that fast. Read a post somewhere of a lady stitching 100 stitches an hour. I highlight my charts with different colors each day and I stitched for 3 hours last night and without counting it seemed I only did like 40 stitches or so (which cannot be true -- but there does not seem to be a whole lot more highlighted). They were all confetti and my awful floss (it is the Disney project) knotted quite a bit. Just started railroading and since I keep my nails short is taking me some extra time (have ordered a laying tool, maybe that helps).

Do like I can use the pinhead stitch on Aida as I love working with that when am handling mountains of confetti, which I cannot use on Lugana over 1 so that is a downside with that. Completely do not get the floss lasso (have put it off) .


Thanks again,
Bianca


I find Zweigart to be far superior to Charles Craft, though all of the 22ct aida I use is Charles Craft, as that is what my local Hobby Lobby, Michaels & JoAnn's carries. But the major fabric dyers, like Silkweaver and Picture This Plus, use Zweigart fabrics as their base for linen and lugana. Jobelan is a Wichelt product, and again, it's my favorite in the 28-32 ct, but Wichelt linen is NOT my favorite; theirs seems to be a bit stiffer, even that that has been dyed over. IF you are stuck with local resources like HL or Michaels, your prices are pretty spot-on, for that limited selection; fortunately, there is a HUGE pool of online resources for fabrics, if you are willing to take a chance on ordering from a thumbnail pic online - I can list 10-15 shops that do mail order just off the top of my head, if you like Smile I'm just a poor working girl myself, so I don't buy ANYTHING that isn't on sale Smile Just say the word, and I can list some of my favorite online resources for stash Smile

I try to get a couple of hours in every night, and as much time as possible on the weekends, now that my boys (15 & 19) are older and we aren't playing travel soccer (football) 11 months a year Smile It's still not enough, but since I have to work to support my habit... Smile At least my boss is a stained glass guy, so he understands, and we often bring stuff in for show & tell Smile AND he doesn't mind when I need to take an afternoon off because I am {this close} to finishing something! LOL



Absolutely should try Zweigart some time I guess. There is an awesome website www.juliesxstitch.com - Julie sent me some samples of fabric free of charge so I could make the right decision!!

Was very impressed with her service - she is an avid cross stitcher herself and she is very enthusiastic.

Received the three samples to compare (Aida is Zwichelt) - so she sent Floba, Davos and Aida all in 18 count. If I would know how to post a picture on here and if someone wants to see it am happy to scan the samples and upload it.

Floba reminds me of potato sack and would probably be good for a Little Prairie related project.

Davos is really nice - it reminds me a bit of Lugana, and is a contender to be tried out sometime. Price wise is the same as Aida.

Am perfectly happy buying online, think it will probably be Zwichelt Pebble Grey from Julie (as I thought that was just lovely to send me the samples) as it is 51 x 36, which is exactly the measurement I need and means there will not be any wasted fabric. Don't think she carries Zweigart though.

Have bought from 123stitch and Nordic Needle before and was happy with the service.

Shall look into Zweigart some more, thanks Smile
Bianca
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8:17 am Sep 18, 2012

Thanks for the link to Julie's X Stitch - I hadn't seen that online shop before, she has a really good inventory, and good prices, in my experience! I now have her bookmarked, too!
CathyG
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12:16 pm Jan 30, 2013

(this piece will be on made on a newly ordered 36 inch millennium frame from Needle Needs)


Hi Bianca
I have wanted to get the millennium frame for sooo long! It looks like it would be the perfect frame to work with.

How do you like it??

I almost ordered it then realized I did not have a clue about receiving an item from overseas. Is there any type of duty fees for anything for ordering this? I am from Michigan.

Please Email me at car80g@yahoo.com Thanks alot!!
Cathy
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