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Elizabeth G
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Location: Centerville, IN
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2:12 pm Aug 07, 2015

Hello,
I'm new to the site and want to get an idea on thoughts about carrying thread on backside of piece. I was taught embroidery at early age of 7. Cross-stitch I self taught much later. I'm 3/4 completed on my first SQ piece, "Apples in a tin pail". I wouldn't dare change the stitching style on this piece, but was wondering if I should change to working all the same symbols at once (which I see others do carrying the thread instead of cutting). Goes without saying that this would be quicker, but doesn't the buildup of thread on back become too much and a lot of wasted thread, so how much more do you calculate? Just wondering, I don't know if I could do it as I've always taken such pride on the back too. Smile

I will appreciate all input on this!

Thanks,
Liz
Sue M.
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Location: Richfield, WI
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11:19 am Aug 11, 2015

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Originally posted by Elizabeth G
Hello,
I'm new to the site and want to get an idea on thoughts about carrying thread on backside of piece. I was taught embroidery at early age of 7. Cross-stitch I self taught much later. I'm 3/4 completed on my first SQ piece, "Apples in a tin pail". I wouldn't dare change the stitching style on this piece, but was wondering if I should change to working all the same symbols at once (which I see others do carrying the thread instead of cutting). Goes without saying that this would be quicker, but doesn't the buildup of thread on back become too much and a lot of wasted thread, so how much more do you calculate? Just wondering, I don't know if I could do it as I've always taken such pride on the back too. Smile

I will appreciate all input on this!

Thanks,
Liz


Hi Liz,
I'm on my third SQ piece and have been working my pieces by completing each stitch in a row with skipping three stitches at the most in between symbols. When the symbol is the same in the row below I park the needle unless I will need the same color later in the row I am working on. There are some great pointers in the Tips section on parking and keeping your work neat. Completing each stitch as I go (the English method) does use a bit more floss but I feel I get better results.

Happy stitching! Stitching
rifestitch
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Location: North of Atlanta
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11:29 am Aug 11, 2015

I guess it depends on how far you intend to carry your thread. I never go more than 4-5 stitches away - if it's further than that, I stop/start - roughly equivalent usage of thread to carry that short distance or a stop/start, in my experience. If it's 6-7 and I have exactly that amount of thread left and it makes more sense to go ahead, rather than stop, get out a whole new length and start for 1 stitch only, then I'll cover the distance; it will likely be covered up by additional stitching and no one the wiser.

After having tried parking and just not liking it (I gave it 18 months, which is plenty of time to prove whether it works for me, I think), I went back to my usual follow-the-symbol style, which always worked on the Teresa Wentzlers I learned to stitch on. BUT, that being said, it works best on these solidly-stitched pieces; you wouldn't want the thread carries to be visible from the front of, say, a sampler, as you are going from one letter of the alphabet to the next or one motif to the next.

I have also found that working on a confetti-filled piece, such as my SQ Lady & Unicorn, the back isn't going to be all that neat just by its very nature. Of course, you want to minimize lumps & bumps as much as possible, so they don't show through the finished product. But if the wad of threads on the back is pretty consistent all the way across, you are not going to have any lumps if your framer knows how to stretch, in my experience. Different styles of designs (art-to-xs vs. a motif or band sampler, for instance) require slightly different handling or technique.

I also read a paper years ago (wish I could find it online again) that suggested that the thicker the threads on the back of the piece, the greater longevity the overall piece might enjoy, just on pure material strength. Though, if I recall correctly, it was comparing antique pieces to antique pieces, from before we had the conservation materials we do today, so maybe not a 100% valid theory in today's world of acid-free & UV coatings - but as the backs of most of mine look like a cat puked, I'm going to keep that as my mantra Smile They all frame wonderfully and never an issue later, so I see no reason to change my method, other than the improvements that come by pure repetition year after year Razz.

I guess it would be more a matter of what works for you, though trying out other methods can never be a bad thing, if it helps you find what you are most comfortable with! Try something smaller than a SQ maybe and see if follow-the-symbol drives you bonkers or not - parking about did me in, but I know others who would totally crack if they stitched the way I do Very Happy

I'd be curious to see if anyone else here modifies methods based on the project, and why Smile
Elizabeth G
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Location: Centerville, IN
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2:11 pm Aug 11, 2015

Thank you for responding. I also only travel no more than 4 stitches away. I was told by a designer that she uses computer software that highlights all of one symbol on the whole piece. She works that one symbol and travels the thread. I've noticed on SQ Gallery there are some where you can see the back on the scrolled part and thread has traveled inches. Just wondered if they are working one symbol at a time too. My main concern is there are so many SQ pieces I want to complete and at 58 I was wondering if I should switch to a faster method. ha

Although I didn't give it 18 months I decided parking wasn't for me either. I read one post on here by someone who travels the thread and she told how the framer thought the piece was probably stronger by doing that. If I remember right she also got her pieces finished in a few months. It's tempting, but don't think I can make myself do it just because it goes against how I was taught.

Above all else, I'm happy to have found SQ.
Again, Thank you both
cmthmpsn
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Location: Ontario, Oregon, USA
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3:44 pm Dec 19, 2015

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Originally posted by Elizabeth G
Thank you for responding. I also only travel no more than 4 stitches away. I was told by a designer that she uses computer software that highlights all of one symbol on the whole piece. She works that one symbol and travels the thread. I've noticed on SQ Gallery there are some where you can see the back on the scrolled part and thread has traveled inches. Just wondered if they are working one symbol at a time too. My main concern is there are so many SQ pieces I want to complete and at 58 I was wondering if I should switch to a faster method. ha

Although I didn't give it 18 months I decided parking wasn't for me either. I read one post on here by someone who travels the thread and she told how the framer thought the piece was probably stronger by doing that. If I remember right she also got her pieces finished in a few months. It's tempting, but don't think I can make myself do it just because it goes against how I was taught.

Above all else, I'm happy to have found SQ.
Again, Thank you both


I LOVE parking my threads! I think the key is that you have to make sure you know what is on each needle. I use several Needle Park Avenues to identify my needles, and I bundle up the loose thread from all the needles on one NPA with a small metal clip barrette. That keeps my parked threads tidy. One NPA will hold needles for nine symbols. I park the first nine threads on the left on one NPA, then the next nine threads on the next NPA, even if it is the same symbol as one parked on the first NPA. I have to rotate in at least one unused NPA per row, as I'm constantly needing to change the symbols on the NPAs with each row stitched to keep my threads tidy.

I also use Pako needle organizers to hold my threaded needles which are not currently parked on the piece. I don't care how many needles I have for each symbol, I use as many needles as I need for each symbol to get the job done. I literally have hundreds on needles on hand, so I can have five or six needles for a symbol, if necessary.

I have started parking everything, not only SQ designs. I park threads on small ornaments, bookmarks, and my Victoria Sampler Gingerbread Village, as well as on my SQ designs.
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